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Dear chickpea,
WELCOME to the forum!! We are so happy to have you here. From time to time I try and bump older posts I have made regarding different findings I have gathered from ones on this forum and elsewhere, all in the hopes that ones like yourself will at least have both sides of the story to make their decision. So thank you for letting me know this has been helpful to you!!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
i think it's time for me to go.
jwd has been such a life line for me these past months.
i have met so many decent and caring people here and i really apprcieate the acceptance that was shown to me here.. i thank each and every one of you for helping me on the road to healing from the abuses i suffered due to the wts and it's lies.
Dear BFD,
(((HUGS)))!! I am so happy you have come to a place in your life where you can leave it all behind you. Take care, and don't be a stranger!! Pop in from time to time and let us know how you are, OK?? We will be here for you if you ever need a listening ear!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
several month ago i finally got up the courage to speak to my parents about the reasons i left the borg.
up until then things were brewing up inside me to the point where i thought i would explode in rage.. even though they were aware of the basic reasons they still had no idea about how angry i was.. friday afternoon i started by asking my mother that i would like to arrange a meeting between the 2 of them and my wife and i to discuss the 't'.
i didn't want to get into detail at this stage because it would be unfair on just her without my elder dad being there.
Dear Thomas,
(((HUGS)))!!!
Thank you for sharing this story with us. Sounds like you gave your parents ALOT to think about, and no doubt parts of it will begin to eat at them. At least you feel better. We know how frusterating it can be to keep all this bottled up inside. You certainly don't want to have a heart attack over it..that is for sure! You can now feel good in that you were able to tell them why you left. How could you have that kind of conversation with your son and not do research about the topics discussed to try and help him, if you really felt he was wrong? In that process, if they do it, they will see you infact are right. The most damning thing of all is the Watchtowers own literature!!
Hang in there!!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
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my mother and i were talking about christmas being in december, and how the christians felt it was truely a victory to have christ jesus birth still celebrated, unlike the pagan sun god that was celebrated by the pagans at the same time.
we got to talking and realized that if you count backwards from when scholars really feel jesus was most likely really born (in september), and count back 280 days of pregnancy, it would actually be late december!!!
could it be that the birthday was from the date of conception, not delivery???
bttt
i keep hearing - recently at a circuit assembly and also in the new jan 15th wt the phrase - progressive.. now i know people will argue that the gb are very conservative and not progressive but we (active jws) keep being asked are we progressive?
this is because of all the changes (progression) vs. continuation of the past.
we all know changes have been made and are on the way - some have been announced officially but i truly believe the rank and file are being [prepared for yet more changes - hence progressive as the phrase of the moment.
Dear Stilla..
I think you hit the nail on the head!! They are trying to prepare them for the upcoming "Generation" change, this you can be sure!!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
i noticed jg nat started a thread kind of similar, but dealing with elders .
my wife helped me come up with this thread with some good ideas here.
there are a few gems that witnesses use as excuses, phraseology they use to make excuses for their beliefs.
Dear Flipper..
I will take these four:
Humans are just imperfect- they make mistakes
True. But these humans claim to be Spirit Directed, so is it really reasonable to believe God's Spirit allow them to make the kind of mistakes that would mislead and even kill thousands, for years before changing?? Example: Organ transplants, and Blood Fractions.
The holy spirit directed it , so it must be right
(I LOVE this one!!) Ask them to get out their dictionary and look up "directed", and the word "inspired". They will be most suprised that they both mean the same thing, and that is to be guided. So when they say..we are not inspired, but we are Spirit directed..it is simply a "play" on words. So to take it one step further..if they in fact are inspired, or being guided by the spirit..who keeps getting things wrong? Mere self appointed men? Or God's Holy Spirit??
Where else will we go ?
I have had several JWs throw this at me! They use this phrase from a scripture where one of the disciples is saying to Jesus.."who would we follow?" Not "Where would we go?" So when asked this, I have simply corrected them, by saying the scripture actually is talking about following Christ, not what "church" you had to belong to.
The light got brighter
(My FAVORITE!!) First of all this expression as used in the Scriptures has nothing to do with how it is applied by the JWs, if you read the context of the Scripture.
Second, if you used their "light gets brighter" reasoning, it would only work if something stayed the same. For example: We know from the scriptures God does not change, and we know he cannot lie. So.. if his Holy Spirit is truely guiding or directing the organization, policies that have been set in place from the onset of the organization , could never "flip flop" if he trely was guiding them. What was wrong would still be wrong, and what was right , would still be right.
Take for instance Blood. For years the policy was, it was to be poured out. You could not even use gardening products to keep the deer away that were made from "stored" blood, right?? But now..fractions are a conscience mattter. No longer a grave sin, worthy of disfellowshipping.
Ah... but they are fractions the JWs say. True. But you cannot sinthetically make fractions can you? The only way to make or get a fraction is from someone elses, STORED WHOLE BLOOD! Someone donated their blood, it was stored, and broken down all for someone else to use a fraction of it. And furthermore, why can JWs take fractions from stored blood, but cannot donate blood to be made into fractions for others??
Oh.. but the light gets "brighter, they say?? Well..something that was from God and considered wrong will be forever wrong in his eyes. Remember the scriptures say he CANNOT change. So, if the policy for no blood was truely from him, and we know he cannot change, then who exactly is doing the changing?? Couldn't it only be mere men, who are clearly not being guided by God??
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
visiting my sons workplace yesterday and a colleague of his calls me over.
"tell me what you know about jehovahs witnesses" he says.
where did that come from i wondered.
WOW! Thank you for sharing! I am happy you were able to help give him some sound advise!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
im new to your website and im very thankful i have found it.
i was born and raised a witness but managed to get myself out after highschool and havent been back for five or six years.
now that i have a family of my own im totally confused.
Dear MEG,
WELCOME to the forum!! We are happy to have you here!! It is hard for those who have never been JWs to understand completely. I would recommend him joining us here. He will see what you and others have been through, and maybe will in turn understand you better...just a thought.
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
well it happened.
my son got a response back from his paranoid witness mother.
as nice as he was , she couldn't help but try to make him feel guilty !
Dear Flipper,
Sounds like your sons mother might benefit from the whole 607 issue if she likes archeology and history so much. I think your son did a wonderful job in responding to her! You must be proud! Thank you for sharing!!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
